Xtremez
Jul 11 2004, 06:29 PM
Just wanted to know. I cant really pick ...Like ...What im thinking is that they live on other planets

! lol. But ohh well

! So if you believe in them or dont, reply here

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Moril
Jul 11 2004, 06:42 PM
Forms of life besides those on Earth definitely exist - but they won't be like anything we've seen or can imagine.
YamiBattousai
Jul 12 2004, 11:30 PM
yea, sure, one lives in my room
Xtremez
Jul 12 2004, 11:44 PM
QUOTE(YamiBattousai @ Jul 13 2004, 04:30 AM)
yea, sure, one lives in my room
Whats his/her name?
YamiBattousai
Jul 12 2004, 11:47 PM
Ummm... can't tell you... it's against the rules...
oh where, oh where did that blow up alien go... oh where, oh where could he be... with his earless head and his eyes like tears... oh where, oh where could he be...
Xtremez
Jul 12 2004, 11:52 PM
Where can i get one? I need one to protect me at night

. J/K
YamiBattousai
Jul 12 2004, 11:54 PM
At the carnival in town once a year
Xtremez
Jul 12 2004, 11:54 PM
Dang ....I live on Mars and its hard to catch them. I never sleep in Mars. Good planet. Ill be moving to pluto soon

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The_Nightshift
Jul 13 2004, 01:28 PM
Even if that exceedingly unlikely claim of your current locale was true, I'd wish you luck moving to a place with such a lack of sunlight as Pluto...
krayvis
Jul 16 2004, 07:05 PM
yea, the least you could do is get someplace with geothermal energy...
anyway, yea... the chances that humans are the only life forms out there is kinda small. only a few million galaxies...
Sharkface217
Jul 16 2004, 07:38 PM
For a bunch of mods/admins, this seems a bit........... Off Topic.....
I believe in Aliens cause of that movie with the spacestation with the alien which the lady fights. And in the sequels, there are more aliens. I just forget the name of the movie.............
I believe in them because it would be stupid to believe that Earth is alone in the Universe. Although that would be the greatest of semi-irony's ironys................
Xtremez
Jul 16 2004, 08:59 PM
I wonder why no 1 is picking no

!
Moril
Jul 17 2004, 12:31 PM
QUOTE(Sharkface217 @ Jul 16 2004, 07:38 PM)
For a bunch of mods/admins, this seems a bit........... Off Topic.....
I believe in Aliens cause of that movie with the spacestation with the alien which the lady fights. And in the sequels, there are more aliens. I just forget the name of the movie.............
I believe in them because it would be stupid to believe that Earth is alone in the Universe. Although that would be the greatest of semi-irony's ironys................
Isn't it called
Alien...?
The_Nightshift
Jul 17 2004, 01:13 PM
Personally I believe in the possibility of alien life, not the definete existance of it
Nirvana
Jul 22 2004, 02:25 PM
I believe... that there are other civializations out there some where... but there is no way we are going comuicate due to the vastness of nothingness... in the emptyness of space...
The_Nightshift
Jul 22 2004, 02:42 PM
I agree with you there to a point...the odds of us ever getting in communication with another species are exceedingly small, given the vastness of space and the speed of light as an unbreachable barrier to the speed of both communication mediums and propulsion systems.
krayvis
Jul 23 2004, 07:14 PM
no way to get anything anywhere relevant in space...even if we could spot them with a telescope, spectrometer, whatever... we'd be seeing them atleast a decade ago and any attempt to communicate would require a transmitter strong enough to microwave new york city... and that's assuming they use whatever we used to communicate... then there's a language barrier... then there's defense problems where half the world will freak and the religious extremists will commit suicide, then we have this nice panic...
Sharkface217
Aug 5 2004, 05:47 PM
Man, you guys are lame................
How do you know that nothing can go faster than the speed of light???? How do you know that light itself is a snail compared to better, faster modes of travel. The speed of light cannot be the end: then "religious" people can argue that God made it so nothing can go faster than it, and then we will never strive to go faster. Some dude in Brittian (Oxford or Cambridge) claims to have found away to send information faster than light. It makes sence, considering that in 20 years, everything (by that I mean communications wise) will be fiber optics.
The_Nightshift
Aug 6 2004, 10:14 AM
it isn't religious, its belief in one of Einstien's theorys. As for the suggestion that something could travel faster than light, yes, in quantum mechanics such theorys have been proposed. However, at this point they're far from proven, and thus we still rely on an older theory with more scientific evidence available in its support.
krayvis
Aug 6 2004, 08:36 PM
we have yet to find anything remotely substantial that indicates that a faster form of energy transmission exists, unless magnetism's speed has already been measured, or energy transmission can be applied to something other than kinetic energy...
Sharkface217
Aug 7 2004, 07:28 PM
QUOTE(krayvis @ Aug 6 2004, 08:36 PM)
we have yet to find anything remotely substantial that indicates that a faster form of energy transmission exists, unless magnetism's speed has already been measured, or energy transmission can be applied to something other than kinetic energy...
I'm just saying.........
Humans are by no means advanced. And yet, we "claim" to have found the fastest thing possible: light. We will find something faster, and some day, we will go faster than light. Or just go faster than time, or just stop time, so that travel will be instantanious.
Moril
Aug 7 2004, 09:38 PM
Hmm... I don't think time travel will be possible in any form for centuries. Here's why (a quote from Isaac Asimov's story "Robot Visions")...
...one of the difficulties of traveling through time is that your base does not stay in one place relative to the Universe as a whole. The Earth is moving about the Sun; the Sun about the galactic center; the Galaxy about the center of gravity of the Local Group - well, you get the idea. If you move one day into the future or the past - just one day - Earth has moved some 2.5 million kilometers in its orbit about the sun. And the Sun has moved in its journey, carrying Earth with it, and so has everything else.
Basically, in order to effectively travel through time, you need to move through space as well. Simply a "time machine" is complicated enough, but something that moves you through space in such a way to stay in your original relative position is much more difficult. And I'm starting to sound incredibly nerdy; thanks for reading this far.
Sharkface217
Aug 8 2004, 04:18 PM
QUOTE(Moril @ Aug 7 2004, 09:38 PM)
Hmm... I don't think time travel will be possible in any form for centuries. Here's why (a quote from Isaac Asimov's story "Robot Visions")...
...one of the difficulties of traveling through time is that your base does not stay in one place relative to the Universe as a whole. The Earth is moving about the Sun; the Sun about the galactic center; the Galaxy about the center of gravity of the Local Group - well, you get the idea. If you move one day into the future or the past - just one day - Earth has moved some 2.5 million kilometers in its orbit about the sun. And the Sun has moved in its journey, carrying Earth with it, and so has everything else.
Basically, in order to effectively travel through time, you need to move through space as well. Simply a "time machine" is complicated enough, but something that moves you through space in such a way to stay in your original relative position is much more difficult. And I'm starting to sound incredibly nerdy; thanks for reading this far.
Ahh, but isn't time but another dimension???? You could, say, travel back through time to a year that the Earth was in that same place???? I believe that advanced computing will solve this (simple calculations, for a computer).
Moril
Aug 9 2004, 05:13 PM
That doesn't make any sense... besides, you'd have to move through all four dimensions at once.
The Earth is never going to be in the same place as it is now. Or if it is, it will only last for about a nanosecond, just as the Sun, the Galaxy, etc., are all moving, taking Earth with them.
The_Nightshift
Aug 9 2004, 08:51 PM
And combined with the fact that gravity will eventually cause the entire galaxy to collapse in on itself and is already drawing everything in it closer and closer, its literally impossible that the Earth would ever be in the same place twice unless acted upon by outside forces
krayvis
Aug 9 2004, 09:11 PM
Moril's got a point, time travel would require a relatively stable base, or translation in all dimensions... even any we cannot even conceive of...
second, we are moving... relative to EVERYTHING past, present, and future. unless we come to a complete stop, relative to destination, the time traveling object would appear with its momentum from the time that it came from...
por ejemplo: imagine that...say you pinpointed earth's location 17 years ago and went there... you would appear, moving at several hundred kilometers per second, in a direction that the present [past] earth was not moving and have your brains boiled by your re-entry like appearance, and have your incinerated remains spread over a few acres of land hit by a sonic boom... very beautiful
sounless you account for current and [other] translations/rotations, and relative position of target (including how to get the target object a probable 17 x 10 (23) kilometers or more) there is no way to move into another time, not even a small shift in time...
Sharkface217
Aug 12 2004, 03:10 PM
Oooo........
I'm getting owned.
Well, I formed a new, never been thought of before theory (it in my book, so you cant copy it. Muhahaha!). Ok, we have the Internet. It is a new "dimension," but it can be destroyed (destroy all computer and servers/whatever on Earth). I believe that we will create "The Matrix" within 20 years. That's simple. Now, lets say that in the Matrix, the human brain, not troubled with keeping the body running, can divert a maximum amount of focus on one task. In other words, an hour in The Matrix could be a second in real life.
This creates many possibilities.
1. We have more time to do things like physics, so that scientists who spend years in there can get much more done.
2. A way for people about to die to "download" their brains into this world and live forever.
3. Create more and more dimensions, like an "Internet" for this "Matrix."
Now, if we can create a dimension based off a dimension off another dimension, is it possible that scientists will be able to store "data" in a place where nothing exists? Tests like that are already being done, but it will be years at this rate. But what if it is possible to store data in this "Matrix" where there is nothing? Then we have created a new dimension, beyond the laws of space. And with space comes time. Now, because you have created something where there is nothing, does it exist forever, regardless of when it was created based upon the time of the dimension within infinite other dimensions?
I'll comment on this later, this game me another idea..........
The_Nightshift
Aug 12 2004, 06:50 PM
I don't see how this has any relevance to the topic at hand.
Sharkface217
Aug 13 2004, 02:24 PM
QUOTE(The_Nightshift @ Aug 12 2004, 06:50 PM)
I don't see how this has any relevance to the topic at hand.
If a dimension exists beyond time, it can go to any time possible, right?
The_Nightshift
Aug 13 2004, 03:35 PM
There is no way to describe the behavior of an unobserved dimension...
Sharkface217
Aug 13 2004, 04:03 PM
QUOTE(The_Nightshift @ Aug 13 2004, 03:35 PM)
There is no way to describe the behavior of an unobserved dimension...
But as I stated before, we made this dimension! It would be like the Matrix, or the Internet, because we can 100% control it.
The_Nightshift
Aug 13 2004, 09:08 PM
They aren't considered dimensions, Sharkface. There are only 4 observable and constant dimensions: legnth, width, depth, and time
krayvis
Aug 13 2004, 09:22 PM
and anything Matrix-like is electronic, and therefore in our dimension... electron pathways.
storing anything in another dimension, if possible, leaves a problem... there is a way to configure the "package" to be stored... but there is no way to retreive this sent article.
i think that creating smaller computers would be easier...

we are trying to do that...
Sharkface217
Aug 14 2004, 04:52 PM
QUOTE(The_Nightshift @ Aug 13 2004, 09:08 PM)
They aren't considered dimensions, Sharkface. There are only 4 observable and constant dimensions: legnth, width, depth, and time
How do you know? You guys must know of String Theory....
The_Nightshift
Aug 14 2004, 05:04 PM
String Theory, which I am quite famailiar with is, unfortunately, just that: a theory. While mathematicly it solves the problems of integration between Quantum Mechanics and standard physics, it does suffer from one dramatic flaw: it cannot be tested by modern science. Currently there are only 4 dimensions whose existance can be proven scientificly. Any remaining dimensions are, as far as we can tell whilst remaining on the base of proven science, non-existant.
Sharkface217
Aug 14 2004, 09:16 PM
You guys are really no fun........
NinaTaru
Aug 17 2004, 12:44 AM
i don't really *believe* in aliens.. but i do believe in other lifeforms here on earth, and in the astral plane. I mean.. why are they called aliens? Why don't we call them "shinanigans" for example.. Aliens could just be a number of anything really..
Sharkface217
Aug 17 2004, 07:48 AM
Moril
Aug 17 2004, 10:54 PM
I take offense to that, Sharkface... watch it in future. Yes, I occasionally haunt the "New Age" section in Barnes & Noble. No, I don't think the Weekly World News is accurate (though it's good for a laugh).
Sharkface217
Aug 19 2004, 03:07 PM
QUOTE(Moril @ Aug 17 2004, 10:54 PM)
I take offense to that, Sharkface... watch it in future. Yes, I occasionally haunt the "New Age" section in Barnes & Noble. No, I don't think the Weekly World News is accurate (though it's good for a laugh).
Lol, its just my personal sport to total demolish hippies. No offence to you all: I am just an animal, and my instinct is to hunt hippies down
Blitzkreig
Sep 7 2004, 09:19 AM

lets get off the topic of hippies and back to the topic at hand now listen here light is not the fastest exiistance because of TADAH black holes now can any one tell me why? hmmm? maby because TIME SPACE NUMBERS EXISTANCE IS INFENTESMAL WHICH IS a PARADOX SO EXISTANCE SHOULD NOT EXIST but it does why BECAUSe IT CANT NOT EXISTST BUT THERE IS the paradox which in efect creats time becaus of the para dox. every unit of time is the begining and the end. let me try again with out cyber shouting
Time, space, existence, and numbers are infinite which cannot exist because it is a paradox. There is a beginning to everything so there is no way we could exist if time space and the rest have no beginning. But the fact is we do which is once again a paradox. Now the reason it is, is because existence and space have a beginning but are infinitesimal so that is impossible. Now because of this paradox this creates time and in effect time was created last even though it always existed.
Get it? Probably not...
The_Nightshift
Sep 7 2004, 02:10 PM
My opinion is, given the evidence at hand, we have to assume that time is constant, linear, and moving only forward. The only reason it's considered a dimension is because two objects can exist in the same space at different times...
Sharkface217
Sep 7 2004, 02:27 PM
Ever see the Bruce Li move, The One? It is all action, but it has some good background science. Every time a black hole forms, a new "alternate universe" forms. Every time a star collapses (in any alternate universe), it forms a blackhole, and a new "big bang" starts a new universe.
The_Nightshift
Sep 7 2004, 02:29 PM
Oh lovely...put a spin on Quantum Mechanics. Anyways, to save you having to look it up, one of the principles of Quantum Mechanics is that, whenever a decision occurs, seperate quantum realities form, one for each possibility {no matter how unlikely}. However, it is theoreticly impossible to shift from one quantum reality to another, and given that quantum mechanics doesn't work well with relitivity's gravity matrix {and that it is this very descepancy in behavior of atoms vs. larger particles that created Quantum Mechanics in the first place}...
Additionally, while we haven't observed stars actually collapsing into black holes, it does seem very likely that this has already occured many times since the theoretical "big bang"
Blitzkreig
Sep 7 2004, 03:33 PM
but there is still credibility to what i have stated correct? (oh and by the way this proves i am not a usless furvert in fact i think im prettey darn usfull)
superbasemaster
Dec 8 2004, 04:16 PM
Of course there are "aliens" in the Universe. There are so many star systems in the universe that there's bound to be intelligent lifeforms.
The_Nightshift
Dec 8 2004, 11:15 PM
One thing to remember, though: Earth is an unusually lucky planet. We have inherited a large solar system, with several planets, particularly Jupiter, large enough to take errant asteroid and comet hits for us. In fact, many scientists looking for earth-like worlds today attempt to find a much larger gas giant that could serve as a "guardian" for a habitable planet...
Blitzkreig
Dec 31 2004, 11:15 PM
ah i love those shows the are so great... i need to watch more of them... cant remember the most recent one on D.C> though it was OH! NOVA that was cool
YamiB.
Jan 16 2005, 10:17 PM
I think it's likely there is life in some part of the universe other than our own.
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