Full Version: Abortion
True, but most consider parasites to be bad so yea...
what aboot leeches they have a medical use?!
I am forced to agree with YamiBattousai, Parasite = bad, on the other hand controlling a parasite turns it into a symbiotic thing
ah what ever fetuses are parisites.
You already said that and yes they are...
So, should we lay eggs? 
is live birth less efficient?
is live birth less efficient?
I would say that live birth is less efficient... Since the mother must carry around all the weight of the baby when if it were in egg the mother wouldn't have to carry it around all the time... we could keep babies in incubators 
egg birth with mammary feeding.
Yes, from an anthropological stance, the Live births have been slightly oppressive to the females, generalized as children bearers and not much else
Eggs would be better but it would be impossible for a human to lay eggs...
The point of the debate is that we're assuming it's not impossible.
Why not? Not like frogs, more like chickens. If human females had a chicken's reproductive system...
Personally I would prefer to be like a cat. Cats don't ovulate until after mating... In layman's terms, no menstruation.
That really has nothing to do with abortion, but I could dig the no period part.
Why not? Not like frogs, more like chickens. If human females had a chicken's reproductive system...
Personally I would prefer to be like a cat. Cats don't ovulate until after mating... In layman's terms, no menstruation.
That really has nothing to do with abortion, but I could dig the no period part.
Yea, maybe some day generations ahead humans will lay eggs though i doubt it
well, that would be kinda comvenient yet bizzare, plugging you to be child into an incubator, and also make abortion easier... simply dispose of the egg...
EAT IT!!!
i find that rather impossible because it seems to me that our race has been going thousands of years without evolving at all....i think that we our the top of the line in species, and i don't see how we could all-of-a-sudden start evolving again...and....start....laying..........eggs.....? i gotta admit....that'd be pretty dang cool tho!!!!.....
We haven't evolved because of the reletivity of evolution, we take care of our own needs with technology and don't need adaptations.
i suppose that makes sense, but then how do you explain third-world nation people not evolving? they don't have technology, and they could very-well use adaptations...but they don't get sh*t......
a. it takes dozens centuries to notice anything
b. they're barely surviving
c. they have been somewhat affected by technology and are not TOTALLY isolated
b. they're barely surviving
c. they have been somewhat affected by technology and are not TOTALLY isolated
that's rather...shaky reasoning if you ask me....and besides that, humans were the same form as we are now thousands of years before we even had advanced technologies............all through ancient egypt and the renaissance......there wasn't even the slightest change in the human form then
Refer to growing numbers of Sickle Cell Anemia...
| QUOTE (Blitzkreig @ May 14 2004, 05:06 PM) |
| EAT IT!!! |
I remember saying something like that in my Bio class... it freaked everyone out...
Anyway - should genetic engineering become mainstream (as I hope it will not), providing an alternative to live birth may be inevitable...
| QUOTE (Moril @ May 16 2004, 02:52 PM) |
| QUOTE (Blitzkreig @ May 14 2004, 05:06 PM) |
| EAT IT!!! |
I remember saying something like that in my Bio class... it freaked everyone out...
Anyway - should genetic engineering become mainstream (as I hope it will not), providing an alternative to live birth may be inevitable...
Oh, that was on the news yesterday. A couple made their baby have spesific blood type, which could lead to choosing your baby's looks and such (man, a super smart and super strong dude would be awesome)
so? MONEY=POWER, this lady wanted her favorite dog cloned...
Back to Abortion... the fetus is a collection of cells unable to think, sense, etc. it's termination would result in saving a billion calories that could be given to an already needing INDIVIDUAL. I WOULD FEEL WORSE WHEN I USE A CAN OF RAID ON A COLONY OF ANTS!!!!!!!!!!!! Potential for an extrodanary person is lost every day... STOP "crying over spilt milk" and unfinished "products" with no use as of then
Back to Abortion... the fetus is a collection of cells unable to think, sense, etc. it's termination would result in saving a billion calories that could be given to an already needing INDIVIDUAL. I WOULD FEEL WORSE WHEN I USE A CAN OF RAID ON A COLONY OF ANTS!!!!!!!!!!!! Potential for an extrodanary person is lost every day... STOP "crying over spilt milk" and unfinished "products" with no use as of then
Ok, dudes. Abortion is just wrong! I watched a fricken video of it happening, and trust me it is wrong. No matter what you say, I will NEVER change my mind.
ah, Melgoa, glad to see you back
back on topic, though, I think you have to consider the situation. Sometimes that child being aborted was the result of a consentual event, but maybe it wasn't...at any rate allowing it to some doesn't allow you to deny it to others, so, while it can be misused, I would say I'm pro abortion for now
back on topic, though, I think you have to consider the situation. Sometimes that child being aborted was the result of a consentual event, but maybe it wasn't...at any rate allowing it to some doesn't allow you to deny it to others, so, while it can be misused, I would say I'm pro abortion for now
It is nice to be back.
Any who, I do not care. It is wrong. I am ok with testing embryo's and junk, but not abortion.
Any who, I do not care. It is wrong. I am ok with testing embryo's and junk, but not abortion.
Well, what about if it is like an immediate abortions, such as right after having sex.
| QUOTE (YamiBattousai @ May 17 2004, 01:08 PM) |
| Well, what about if it is like an immediate abortions, such as right after having sex. |
THat is ok. Cause babies have yet to grow. I mean, right?
abortion is ok untill the child is in the third trimester ant least ethicly and leagaly
| QUOTE (Blitzkreig @ May 17 2004, 02:13 PM) |
| abortion is ok untill the child is in the third trimester ant least ethicly and leagaly |
I agree. Aborting or taking the "morning after" pill is different, cause the baby doesnt even have a change (
). But letting the baby grow, giving it food, puking, whatever, then aborting 2 days before birth? I mean, that is murder.As the post says:
"If you killed today, it would be murder. If you killed her yesterday, it would be abortion."
Sharkface217
there you go! but where to draw the line... hmmm
7th trimester? LOL
7th trimester? LOL
Hey there is third terimester abortion. The doctor goes in and turns the baby so it comes out feet first, then it bashes it's head in and sucks out it brains. I mean, why the hell would some one wait that long? Why not have the baby?
| QUOTE (Melgoa @ May 17 2004, 08:19 PM) |
| Hey there is third terimester abortion. The doctor goes in and turns the baby so it comes out feet first, then it bashes it's head in and sucks out it brains. I mean, why the hell would some one wait that long? Why not have the baby? |
One word: Condom.
You know, if condoms were like indestructable, it would really save a lot of space. I mean, ValleyView is way to overcrowded (and city kids are coming in and messing up everything. I hate people who live out stereotypes).
ah yes...Learn from your parent's mistakes, use birth control
Lol, well condom doesn't work. Besides, there are PLENTY of STDs out there that condoms do NOT stop. People should wait till they are truly commited to the person (as in marriage).
NOTHING is sperm proof, no matter what you take or use you can ALWAYS get pregant.
I was being sarcastic...anyways you're right on the money there
and by the way, please use the edit button rather than posting again to add info to what you just said
and by the way, please use the edit button rather than posting again to add info to what you just said
another thing Third trimester is murder not abortin but hey you have to have the baby if you waited THAT long. any wayyyy ther are not PLENTY there are FEW i mean acondom does not protect from anal or testicular herpes (sorry for being so blunt (no pun intended)) or HIV for that matter. but it does prettey much take care of every thing else. At least if its used correctly. but then theres the reflection of pregnacy it self being a deseaise.... a fetus IS a parasite! it feeds off of the mother which is parisitism. MEH!
Actually, then in that case, the brain is a parasite... takes all the oxygen it wants
anyway, it's too bad "sex" and "mating" cannot be separated
anyway, it's too bad "sex" and "mating" cannot be separated
My personal definition of 'sex'
Intercourse for pleasure.
My personal definition of 'mating'
Intercourse with the intention to produce a baby.
These aren't textbook definitions, but they're the connotations that spring to mind when I hear the words.
Intercourse for pleasure.
My personal definition of 'mating'
Intercourse with the intention to produce a baby.
These aren't textbook definitions, but they're the connotations that spring to mind when I hear the words.
Should ppl should have sex to donate stem cells...nope [end of queer thought]
uh... the topic, okay... ABORTION=GOOD, what are any negative repercussions to abortion... I think none... Good things? MANY, one less life to tax earth's resources... "it" won't have to clean up the mess this generation leaves... STEM CELLS!...
uh... the topic, okay... ABORTION=GOOD, what are any negative repercussions to abortion... I think none... Good things? MANY, one less life to tax earth's resources... "it" won't have to clean up the mess this generation leaves... STEM CELLS!...
| QUOTE (krayvis @ May 25 2004, 04:10 PM) |
| Should ppl should have sex to donate stem cells...nope [end of queer thought] uh... the topic, okay... ABORTION=GOOD, what are any negative repercussions to abortion... I think none... Good things? MANY, one less life to tax earth's resources... "it" won't have to clean up the mess this generation leaves... STEM CELLS!...
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Speaking of, a company in Australia gives you a free 2 week vacation if you donate stem cells. I think that Abortion is ok in real early stages, but partial birth is just too sick to exist. Man, God must be angry.........................
only if the holy vatican churdh says so 
Moving to Australia.
| QUOTE (Sharkface217 @ May 25 2004 @ 05:19 PM) |
| Speaking of, a company in Australia gives you a free 2 week vacation if you donate stem cells. I think that Abortion is ok in real early stages, but partial birth is just too sick to exist. Man, God must be angry......................... |
how can u say that? the only difference between a fetus at early stages and one that had partial birth abortion is that its bigger and it grew more.....it's like a born baby and his dad, the dad is just bigger....
for you to say it's ok to kill it at early stages but not partial birth abortion is ridiculous...it's like saying u can kill your kid, but killing it's father is murder...
basing this type of thing on "but partial birth is just too sick to exist" is just wrong.....omg ewww it's gross we can see it it shouldn't be allowed......the same thing is happened to it if its in early stages! it's still in the same amount of pain when it dies....and yes it can friggin feel! it's a friggin human being for petes sake
| QUOTE (MiKe EaTs FoOd @ May 27 2004, 02:51 PM) |
| QUOTE (Sharkface217 @ May 25 2004 @ 05:19 PM) |
| Speaking of, a company in Australia gives you a free 2 week vacation if you donate stem cells. I think that Abortion is ok in real early stages, but partial birth is just too sick to exist. Man, God must be angry......................... |
how can u say that? the only difference between a fetus at early stages and one that had partial birth abortion is that its bigger and it grew more.....it's like a born baby and his dad, the dad is just bigger....
for you to say it's ok to kill it at early stages but not partial birth abortion is ridiculous...it's like saying u can kill your kid, but killing it's father is murder...
basing this type of thing on "but partial birth is just too sick to exist" is just wrong.....omg ewww it's gross we can see it it shouldn't be allowed......the same thing is happened to it if its in early stages! it's still in the same amount of pain when it dies....and yes it can friggin feel! it's a friggin human being for petes sake
So are you saying that if a man lived until the end of eternity, and he aquired so much knowlage and skill and wisdom and such that he became God (I think I read this in a book), that it is ok to kill him?
Dude, sperm is just an early stage of an old man waiting to die. A boy and a man are different, cause a man is a more developed boy. Also longer life (assuming life brings visible aging to physical body). Partial Birth Abortions are really sick, I have seen them (internet). Really sick. Hell, it would be a human being if it werent living off a tube. I bet that if we could see if they had brain capacity, they were already thinking.
Partial birth abortions and masterbation are totaly different. So is murder, but murder today was abortion yesterday.
If IT doesn't think, it's useless
If IT gives nothing in return, it's useless
If IT will present a problem to the parent(s), it's useless
Terminate the thing i say!
... yup
hmm, donating sperm and egg to culture stem cells...
I'd say go for it... [uncoordinated thoughts, sorry]
Abortion is good unless you actually want the child.
better yet, make it legal and free, endorsed and socially accepted. then that would cure many of humanity's problems...
If IT gives nothing in return, it's useless
If IT will present a problem to the parent(s), it's useless
Terminate the thing i say!
... yuphmm, donating sperm and egg to culture stem cells...
I'd say go for it... [uncoordinated thoughts, sorry]
Abortion is good unless you actually want the child.
better yet, make it legal and free, endorsed and socially accepted. then that would cure many of humanity's problems...
| QUOTE (krayvis @ May 30 2004, 11:17 PM) |
| If IT doesn't think, it's useless If IT gives nothing in return, it's useless If IT will present a problem to the parent(s), it's useless Terminate the thing i say! ... yuphmm, donating sperm and egg to culture stem cells... I'd say go for it... [uncoordinated thoughts, sorry] Abortion is good unless you actually want the child. better yet, make it legal and free, endorsed and socially accepted. then that would cure many of humanity's problems... |
legal and FREE? omg r u serious? the whole reason that abortion was invented was to make money....it's like the friggin biggest industry we have today! there's a planned parenthood on like every corner...and if you go to them for help, the only thing they'll say is "get an abortion! it's only a blob of stem cells"......bah it's all friggin sick....the world is hopefully going to kill itself eventually, and at least that will end all of the complete and udder disgust
| QUOTE (MiKe EaTs FoOd @ May 31 2004, 11:25 AM) |
| QUOTE (krayvis @ May 30 2004, 11:17 PM) |
| If IT doesn't think, it's useless If IT gives nothing in return, it's useless If IT will present a problem to the parent(s), it's useless Terminate the thing i say! ... yuphmm, donating sperm and egg to culture stem cells... I'd say go for it... [uncoordinated thoughts, sorry] Abortion is good unless you actually want the child. better yet, make it legal and free, endorsed and socially accepted. then that would cure many of humanity's problems... |
legal and FREE? omg r u serious? the whole reason that abortion was invented was to make money....it's like the friggin biggest industry we have today! there's a planned parenthood on like every corner...and if you go to them for help, the only thing they'll say is "get an abortion! it's only a blob of stem cells"......bah it's all friggin sick....the world is hopefully going to kill itself eventually, and at least that will end all of the complete and udder disgust
Planned parenthood is a communitst organisation.
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| the whole reason that abortion was invented was to make money....it's like the friggin biggest industry we have today! there's a planned parenthood on like every corner...and if you go to them for help, the only thing they'll say is "get an abortion! it's only a blob of stem cells" |
For your information most abortion clinics are NONPROFIT organizations. That means they make no money. The baby products industry (food, clothing, toys, books, games, etc.) makes MILLIONS of dollars more PER COMPANY (think Gerber or Sesame Street) than the sale of abortion pills make TOTAL, because most abortion pills are generic. And if you were a female teenager who had been raped and was now 2 months pregnant, and the choices were raising a baby you never intended to have and losing the rest of high school and chances for college, or taking a pill that will destroy a grand total of 12 cells (you shed a LOT more skin cells than that while you SLEEP), if you had any sense at all you'd take the pill.
Oh yeah, and NO it CAN'T feel pain. To feel pain, one requires nerve endings. Without nerve endings, it is impossible to feel pain. When a fetus is only 8 cells large, the cells have not even begun to diversify yet. There are NO NERVE ENDINGS in a 'blob of stem cells'. Technically it hasn't even aquired the traits that make it human, so you know what? I don't think it is human.
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