I think this was justified, Sharkface...I'll let it go
And we have to take this in context...it isn't always a mother's choice to have a baby, and on the same token sometimes they regret a poorly made decision. While it remains an easily abusable and very disputible service, you have to consider those possibilities...
Full Version: Abortion
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I would like to point out that this stuff wouldn't even been thought about in the early 80s
its been around since the 70s, ya mo
QUOTE(BlueHyde @ Sep 15 2004, 08:35 PM)
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I would like to point out that this stuff wouldn't even been thought about in the early 80s
its been around since the 70s, ya mo
Ya, but people who did in the the 70s were considered evil. Abortion is just an excuse for a lady/guy to f**k around, marry, divorce, live a pointless and society draining life without consequence.
that was very on topic if youll pardon me i would like to explain that young women would pull the un born child out of them with a coat hanger like i warned it is not pretty
QUOTE(Blitzkreig @ Sep 16 2004, 07:46 PM)
that was very on topic if youll pardon me i would like to explain that young women would pull the un born child out of them with a coat hanger like i warned it is not pretty
Those measures are way to extreme. The US needs more religion. Ban all atheists!
Just be warned, FreedomsNet is a religiously diverse community, from the ownership on down. So I wouldn't suggest you either promote one religion over another or bash athiests/agnostics.
Anyways, back on the main topic: abortion
Anyways, back on the main topic: abortion
excuse my cold nature, but i see nothing in a fetus... so what if i've changed my views a tad... there is no loss in termination... i have no reason to beleive it should posess and human rights... (this ought to get some people yelling at me...)
no collection of cells having no feeling, life, or thought should be allowed to negatively influence their "host"... an unwanted fetus might actually fit under the term "Parasite"
okay, yell at me now... 
no collection of cells having no feeling, life, or thought should be allowed to negatively influence their "host"... an unwanted fetus might actually fit under the term "Parasite"
okay, yell at me now...
no cause i agree and i think you mean zygote more than fetus but still i agree
Not to offend anyone, but most people on Freedomsnet seem a bit..... eccentric..... in general.......
Abortion kills babies who want to live.
Abortion kills babies who want to live.
eccentric if you saw "Father of the Pride" yesterday then theres eccentric. damn lobsters...mumble...mumble...but seriously all bars should have aquatic acsess...
And that is totally not off topic how?
I would like to point out (again) that in China, most babies get aborted with the head out. Sledgehammer style.
I would like to point out (again) that in China, most babies get aborted with the head out. Sledgehammer style.
Anti-abortion: The Scientific Approach.
People believe heavily in modern science and technology, right? (in general)
People also support abortion.
But, scientifically, in the example of what is considered "living", "dead", and "non-living", where would you place an acorn?
Impertinent? I think not.
Take no offense at this, but it proves a point:
An acorn is a seed of a tree, just as a "fetus" is a seed of a person.
That acorn, scientifically, is considered living, because it has the POTENTIAL to grow.
Does not a human being have this as well? How can people say an acorn is alive, and an unborn child is not, and use the same science? It's contradictory.
Doesn't an unborn child's heart begin to beat after 24 days or something like that? If that's not life, then someone please enlighten me.
A woman's body is NOT just her own once she's pregnant, she's sharing it with another life form. To steal life, or the potential for life, is wrong, just as stealing anything else.
True Story:
A woman was raped - most of you would chant and cheer about abortion. But no, she carried this child to term - and gave it up for adoption, because she couldn't raise it, because she couldn't love it because of what it represented.
But she didn't kill it.
Do you know where that child is now? He's an adult, now in Africa, feeding those starving people y'all are talking about who have nothing. He's giving his everything so that they can have something.
Most men nowadays who rape use a condom, to prevent getting caught. That there's about 95-98% safety, preventing an abortion, however inadvertantly.
I agree with Melgoa and Mike Eats Food, and nothing any of you say can change my mind about where I stand. As a Christian, as an Intellectual, and as a Person.
The best you can do is make me angry that none of you regard reproduction as anything special. Especially krayvis, whose posts continually express no feeling at all for any human life, that any and all of us are worthless and can be easily disposed of without a care. Heck, take up Puratinism - 'children should be glad their parents allow them to live and should be grateful that they should walk the earth', 'children eat whatever's left after the adults have gorged themselves', 'children don't speak until spoken to'. Oh, and while you're at it, vehemently defend your freedoms, but deny others theirs. Blatant, shameless sarcasm, in case you hadn't noticed.
People believe heavily in modern science and technology, right? (in general)
People also support abortion.
But, scientifically, in the example of what is considered "living", "dead", and "non-living", where would you place an acorn?
Impertinent? I think not.
Take no offense at this, but it proves a point:
An acorn is a seed of a tree, just as a "fetus" is a seed of a person.
That acorn, scientifically, is considered living, because it has the POTENTIAL to grow.
Does not a human being have this as well? How can people say an acorn is alive, and an unborn child is not, and use the same science? It's contradictory.
Doesn't an unborn child's heart begin to beat after 24 days or something like that? If that's not life, then someone please enlighten me.
A woman's body is NOT just her own once she's pregnant, she's sharing it with another life form. To steal life, or the potential for life, is wrong, just as stealing anything else.
True Story:
A woman was raped - most of you would chant and cheer about abortion. But no, she carried this child to term - and gave it up for adoption, because she couldn't raise it, because she couldn't love it because of what it represented.
But she didn't kill it.
Do you know where that child is now? He's an adult, now in Africa, feeding those starving people y'all are talking about who have nothing. He's giving his everything so that they can have something.
Most men nowadays who rape use a condom, to prevent getting caught. That there's about 95-98% safety, preventing an abortion, however inadvertantly.
I agree with Melgoa and Mike Eats Food, and nothing any of you say can change my mind about where I stand. As a Christian, as an Intellectual, and as a Person.
The best you can do is make me angry that none of you regard reproduction as anything special. Especially krayvis, whose posts continually express no feeling at all for any human life, that any and all of us are worthless and can be easily disposed of without a care. Heck, take up Puratinism - 'children should be glad their parents allow them to live and should be grateful that they should walk the earth', 'children eat whatever's left after the adults have gorged themselves', 'children don't speak until spoken to'. Oh, and while you're at it, vehemently defend your freedoms, but deny others theirs. Blatant, shameless sarcasm, in case you hadn't noticed.
i do not belive it was ever said that a fetus is not alive but honestly some people die from birtihng and some people dont have the money to pay for th increassed amout of eaten food the hospital birthing bills and the adapotion bills so they destroy the zygote. it is infact cheaper and less taxing upon the bearer and her mate (if the mate is present) but honestly aborting a child before it is able to be safely birthed is alright. I dont want to sound heartless but morals imped efficency. sociotiy influences what people should think. i try not to follow socioty ad unfortunatly suffer from the consiquences. but i am my own mind i if it were possible would probably be living in a hut somwhere killing and eating animals plants and fungi of course i would also attempt to make money to supplie my self with electricity and utilise every technique of life i could to survive in both worlds. but thats my desicion. it bothers me that somtimes people hold onto there belives about life and death (and other things) so strongly that they close there mind to every thing in the outside world. i have made mistakes too i wont lie to me or you but we all need to look at this from an efficient perspective.
QUOTE(night_of_faith @ Sep 30 2004, 09:57 PM)
Anti-abortion: The Scientific Approach.
People believe heavily in modern science and technology, right? (in general)
People also support abortion.
But, scientifically, in the example of what is considered "living", "dead", and "non-living", where would you place an acorn?
Impertinent? I think not.
Take no offense at this, but it proves a point:
An acorn is a seed of a tree, just as a "fetus" is a seed of a person.
That acorn, scientifically, is considered living, because it has the POTENTIAL to grow.
Does not a human being have this as well? How can people say an acorn is alive, and an unborn child is not, and use the same science? It's contradictory.
Doesn't an unborn child's heart begin to beat after 24 days or something like that? If that's not life, then someone please enlighten me.
A woman's body is NOT just her own once she's pregnant, she's sharing it with another life form. To steal life, or the potential for life, is wrong, just as stealing anything else.
True Story:
A woman was raped - most of you would chant and cheer about abortion. But no, she carried this child to term - and gave it up for adoption, because she couldn't raise it, because she couldn't love it because of what it represented.
But she didn't kill it.
Do you know where that child is now? He's an adult, now in Africa, feeding those starving people y'all are talking about who have nothing. He's giving his everything so that they can have something.
Most men nowadays who rape use a condom, to prevent getting caught. That there's about 95-98% safety, preventing an abortion, however inadvertantly.
I agree with Melgoa and Mike Eats Food, and nothing any of you say can change my mind about where I stand. As a Christian, as an Intellectual, and as a Person.
The best you can do is make me angry that none of you regard reproduction as anything special. Especially krayvis, whose posts continually express no feeling at all for any human life, that any and all of us are worthless and can be easily disposed of without a care. Heck, take up Puratinism - 'children should be glad their parents allow them to live and should be grateful that they should walk the earth', 'children eat whatever's left after the adults have gorged themselves', 'children don't speak until spoken to'. Oh, and while you're at it, vehemently defend your freedoms, but deny others theirs. Blatant, shameless sarcasm, in case you hadn't noticed.
People believe heavily in modern science and technology, right? (in general)
People also support abortion.
But, scientifically, in the example of what is considered "living", "dead", and "non-living", where would you place an acorn?
Impertinent? I think not.
Take no offense at this, but it proves a point:
An acorn is a seed of a tree, just as a "fetus" is a seed of a person.
That acorn, scientifically, is considered living, because it has the POTENTIAL to grow.
Does not a human being have this as well? How can people say an acorn is alive, and an unborn child is not, and use the same science? It's contradictory.
Doesn't an unborn child's heart begin to beat after 24 days or something like that? If that's not life, then someone please enlighten me.
A woman's body is NOT just her own once she's pregnant, she's sharing it with another life form. To steal life, or the potential for life, is wrong, just as stealing anything else.
True Story:
A woman was raped - most of you would chant and cheer about abortion. But no, she carried this child to term - and gave it up for adoption, because she couldn't raise it, because she couldn't love it because of what it represented.
But she didn't kill it.
Do you know where that child is now? He's an adult, now in Africa, feeding those starving people y'all are talking about who have nothing. He's giving his everything so that they can have something.
Most men nowadays who rape use a condom, to prevent getting caught. That there's about 95-98% safety, preventing an abortion, however inadvertantly.
I agree with Melgoa and Mike Eats Food, and nothing any of you say can change my mind about where I stand. As a Christian, as an Intellectual, and as a Person.
The best you can do is make me angry that none of you regard reproduction as anything special. Especially krayvis, whose posts continually express no feeling at all for any human life, that any and all of us are worthless and can be easily disposed of without a care. Heck, take up Puratinism - 'children should be glad their parents allow them to live and should be grateful that they should walk the earth', 'children eat whatever's left after the adults have gorged themselves', 'children don't speak until spoken to'. Oh, and while you're at it, vehemently defend your freedoms, but deny others theirs. Blatant, shameless sarcasm, in case you hadn't noticed.
Wow man, very awesome and enlightening. We have needed someone like you (besides me) on this forum for a long time....
I agree with night_of_faith...
And Sharkface don't judge a book by it's cover... You might just be surprised
QUOTE(Sharkface217 @ Oct 1 2004 @ 03:02 PM)
Wow man, very awesome and enlightening.
And Sharkface don't judge a book by it's cover... You might just be surprised
I try not to, Yami 
I do believe that One would be a good champion for fetus's rights.
I do believe that One would be a good champion for fetus's rights.
The only time I'll condone an abortion is when the baby begins to grow in the fallopian tubes, as was mentioned before. But that's still a sacrifice for the mother, not just trash to be thrown away. And if there were a way to safely, surgically move the zygote to the uterus, then that'd be a better choice in that situation.
If they haven't invented it yet? Then why the heck are they spending money on destroying lives instead of preserving them?
Blitz - another thing you TOTALLY got wrong, that I should have brought up before.
Masturbation and menstruation don't kill children. I don't know how you got this idea, but let's set this record straight:
Sperm are just cells. Just like skin, just like hair, etc. They are only messengers, sent to carry the DNA information to the egg. They themselves have not the potential to grow - their delivery is their entire purpose. So it doesn't matter how much you lose.
Menstration doesn't KILL the egg! Where on EARTH did you come up with that?? The egg is expelled because, due to it's unuse, it dies by itself. BY ITSELF. Those so many days are the extent of it's life span; while in the ovaries, it is dormant (think of a bear in hibernation). When an insect only lives for 3 days & it's entire purpose is to reproduce, do you say reproduction killed it when it died? No! That's it's life span, just as you or I would live (hopefully) for years. The egg lives for about a month, and that's it.
well, a child of rape should never have been created... so technically there is no loss...
acorns benefit squirrels. acorns are food...
anyway... fruit is potential... when we eat an apple, we discard the seeds, why? we have no need for them... the world has enough of them...
and if you are so for the rights of unborn, not-yet-fully-human children, then i will say that using contraception is an act defying nature's intention and an act depriving potential to be formed...
and p.s.: i wouldn't be this cold hearted in real life... im just playing devil's advocate... or god's advocate... depending on your veiws...
acorns benefit squirrels. acorns are food...
anyway... fruit is potential... when we eat an apple, we discard the seeds, why? we have no need for them... the world has enough of them...
and if you are so for the rights of unborn, not-yet-fully-human children, then i will say that using contraception is an act defying nature's intention and an act depriving potential to be formed...
and p.s.: i wouldn't be this cold hearted in real life... im just playing devil's advocate... or god's advocate... depending on your veiws...
Devil's advocate sounds good.
The benefits of using a condom would outweigh your "negatives". Think of it this way: it's not preventing a child from living, nature's course is still going its way by natural menstruation, and what it IS preventing is a child who would be miserable if born into a home that couldn't support it, or preventing it's death should it *begin* to grow.
And, Blitz said he never said that a fetus wasn't alive - which infers that it *is* living - so therefore abortion *is* killing. Isn't killing considered wrong by the American people? By the world?
And don't give me that spiel about "war is killing" - if people didn't care about killing in wars, why do you think we have so many pacifists?
The benefits of using a condom would outweigh your "negatives". Think of it this way: it's not preventing a child from living, nature's course is still going its way by natural menstruation, and what it IS preventing is a child who would be miserable if born into a home that couldn't support it, or preventing it's death should it *begin* to grow.
And, Blitz said he never said that a fetus wasn't alive - which infers that it *is* living - so therefore abortion *is* killing. Isn't killing considered wrong by the American people? By the world?
And don't give me that spiel about "war is killing" - if people didn't care about killing in wars, why do you think we have so many pacifists?
night_of_faith made some very interesting points that I agree with, for the most part - but I think that there shouldn't be a law that goes along the lines of "NO ABORTIONS! EVER!" The only times an abortion should be used are in cases of rape or a case in which having the baby would kill the mother. In a case of rape, the scenario night_of_faith mentioned would be ideal - I'd rather have a living person than a dead person - but an abortion may be necessary. Whatever - my gender shouldn't have a say in this anyway.
well hmm.... now once again no one is reading what i said now so im not very happy in that respect.
i am not playing devils advocate i am actually voicing my opinions. so if any one thinks im cold hearted fine judge me. but then that gives me the reson and right to judge you.
in response to the sperm and egg messenger thing. they are required. for life so are they not life in that of its self? they are resonable self supporting while a zygote needs a "host" in order to live there for it gose life to no life to life . cell to parisite to organisim
i am not playing devils advocate i am actually voicing my opinions. so if any one thinks im cold hearted fine judge me. but then that gives me the reson and right to judge you.
in response to the sperm and egg messenger thing. they are required. for life so are they not life in that of its self? they are resonable self supporting while a zygote needs a "host" in order to live there for it gose life to no life to life . cell to parisite to organisim
QUOTE(Moril @ Oct 2 2004, 11:00 AM)
night_of_faith made some very interesting points that I agree with, for the most part - but I think that there shouldn't be a law that goes along the lines of "NO ABORTIONS! EVER!" The only times an abortion should be used are in cases of rape or a case in which having the baby would kill the mother. In a case of rape, the scenario night_of_faith mentioned would be ideal - I'd rather have a living person than a dead person - but an abortion may be necessary. Whatever - my gender shouldn't have a say in this anyway.
Moril, I (more or less) agree with you. Abortions should be:
1. Rape.
2. Problem Baby
3. Other (still can't think of one).
In all other cases, people should not have abortions. In NJ, people can put their children up for adoption very easily, and I do believe every state should have something like that.
As for what Blitz has said..... Nevermind.
Saying that sperm is equal to the life of a baby as to be "killed" based on the fact that it's self-sufficient is kinda silly.
Amino acids are the building blocks of what we call "life", right?
But, what *wasn't* published in our science books of Miller's test (re-creating the circumstances of evolution & creating amino acids) were that the amino acids, although created, never amounted to anything. The amino acids never became proteins because they were synthetic & made in a test tube-like apparatus.
Not saying that sperm are not organic - but they won't come to anything on their own.
But once a baby is started, it can continue to grow by itself. Sperm are produced, expelled, and that's pretty much it.
Amino acids are the building blocks of what we call "life", right?
But, what *wasn't* published in our science books of Miller's test (re-creating the circumstances of evolution & creating amino acids) were that the amino acids, although created, never amounted to anything. The amino acids never became proteins because they were synthetic & made in a test tube-like apparatus.
Not saying that sperm are not organic - but they won't come to anything on their own.
But once a baby is started, it can continue to grow by itself. Sperm are produced, expelled, and that's pretty much it.
well cause i am too lazy to read threw 15 pages of posts im just gonna give out my ideas about abortion. i think the woman has the right to have the chance. hell it is her body, not anyone elses. the idea of banning it is soo beyond ridiculous i cannot even consider it.......
Good more people prochoice glad peeps are reilizing that. you know snakes eat ther young, why can't we?
There's a difference between aborting and eating, Blitz...
question for ya blitz: Do you think that the baby feels pain during abortion or the baby snake beinging eaten by its parents..
I think went too far with that snake comment......
1. Pro-choice outnumbers pro-life on this forum greatly..... its quite insane.
2. Abortions should only happen if its rape, etc.
3. Snakes eat their babies because they are less advanced animals where life and death is always on the same line. And many snakes give birth in a way that eating their children is actually good for them (see that scene from Indiana Jones).
1. Pro-choice outnumbers pro-life on this forum greatly..... its quite insane.
2. Abortions should only happen if its rape, etc.
3. Snakes eat their babies because they are less advanced animals where life and death is always on the same line. And many snakes give birth in a way that eating their children is actually good for them (see that scene from Indiana Jones).
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question for ya blitz: Do you think that the baby feels pain during abortion or the baby snake beinging eaten by its parents..
really Sharkface. i am just trying to get blitz to explain why he thinks that. it is stupid in no way, i think you just need to chill out
My fierce attitude makes me a cyber-pimp on some sites. I sometimes carry the qualities over....
For Paul:
of coursse the ssnake feels pain but the abortss baby it all dependss on what trimester it iss in near the end of the third of coursse it feelss pain but then again we are not "ssupposed" to abort that late right?
For Night:
Eh you're right but eating a baby iss the ssame thing for every thing in the end.
For Shark:
You are in no way the cyber pimp.
of coursse the ssnake feels pain but the abortss baby it all dependss on what trimester it iss in near the end of the third of coursse it feelss pain but then again we are not "ssupposed" to abort that late right?
For Night:
Eh you're right but eating a baby iss the ssame thing for every thing in the end.
For Shark:
You are in no way the cyber pimp.
Whoa, okay, maybe y'all will consider this irrelevant, but this is just outright odd.
*Eating* babies. EATING babies! For crying out loud, Blitz, if you're so into the idea of evolution, you'd think humans were a bit more advanced that that! I thought it was weird with the furries, but you're acting and thinking like you *are* an animal now! I'm almost glad I didn't date you, or take it any farther than it was - any unwanted kid by you would be devoured!That you'd even say that is freakin' scary - although, I must admit, I'm not entirely surprised.
No duh an animal - any animal - would feel pain as it were being eaten alive.
A correction for me for an earlier post - 10 days after conception, a baby's heart begins to beat, and it's brain development, as well as other things, are well underway. Most women don't even know they're pregnant then. You can argue the "day-after" pill - I can't fight you on that. But it is a living thing, a baby, from then on.
A woman's body is *not* only hers after that - she's sharing it with another human life, *which she helped to create* (on the rape argument, ignore this, do not chase me with sticks - I've warned you once) You can't just get rid of a "problem" like this whenever you want to.
If your finances are bad, well, you shouldn't have been fooling around, eh?
If you have mental problems (as in, psycho tendencies, not slowness), then why are you a mother in the first place?? Same as the first!
If you're a teen with a "problem", then again, what the heck were you thinking beforehand?
In all concensual (sp?) accounts, I can't see any good reason to abort a baby, besides it being harmful to the mother's life - that baby is a direct result of the mother's actions, whether they be from foolishness/carelessness or not. But in choosing to do what was... done... they automatically accept the fact of a possibility of a child, and to take care of that child because it is their responsibility.
It's like driving - by getting your license and driving, you automatically agree to take a breathalizer test when asked by police. If you don't, you're fined.
Except in the case of abortion, all you do is brush dirt under the rug and get away with a slap on the wrist, if that.
*Eating* babies. EATING babies! For crying out loud, Blitz, if you're so into the idea of evolution, you'd think humans were a bit more advanced that that! I thought it was weird with the furries, but you're acting and thinking like you *are* an animal now! I'm almost glad I didn't date you, or take it any farther than it was - any unwanted kid by you would be devoured!
That you'd even say that is freakin' scary - although, I must admit, I'm not entirely surprised.No duh an animal - any animal - would feel pain as it were being eaten alive.
A correction for me for an earlier post - 10 days after conception, a baby's heart begins to beat, and it's brain development, as well as other things, are well underway. Most women don't even know they're pregnant then. You can argue the "day-after" pill - I can't fight you on that. But it is a living thing, a baby, from then on.
A woman's body is *not* only hers after that - she's sharing it with another human life, *which she helped to create* (on the rape argument, ignore this, do not chase me with sticks - I've warned you once) You can't just get rid of a "problem" like this whenever you want to.
If your finances are bad, well, you shouldn't have been fooling around, eh?
If you have mental problems (as in, psycho tendencies, not slowness), then why are you a mother in the first place?? Same as the first!
If you're a teen with a "problem", then again, what the heck were you thinking beforehand?
In all concensual (sp?) accounts, I can't see any good reason to abort a baby, besides it being harmful to the mother's life - that baby is a direct result of the mother's actions, whether they be from foolishness/carelessness or not. But in choosing to do what was... done... they automatically accept the fact of a possibility of a child, and to take care of that child because it is their responsibility.
It's like driving - by getting your license and driving, you automatically agree to take a breathalizer test when asked by police. If you don't, you're fined.
Except in the case of abortion, all you do is brush dirt under the rug and get away with a slap on the wrist, if that.
Abortion... god hwo i hate these topics, mainly cause my opinion makes people angry with me. Personaly, I think any unwanted child should be aborted, secondly, i believe there should be a limit to how many kids can be in one family, basicly because this planet is getting overcrowded, with less human life, the enviroment will increase in health because of less housing will be need'd, for housing humans basivcly, and we would not consume as much food. and we wouldnt need to cut down trees for housing, we wouldn't destroy as many animal habitats, it would be good for basicly everything living on this planet we call earth.
Even un-employment would plumit, there would possibley be alot less homeless because they will be able to find jobs also. th ehuman economy would flourish. everyone would have more money to live off of.
Even un-employment would plumit, there would possibley be alot less homeless because they will be able to find jobs also. th ehuman economy would flourish. everyone would have more money to live off of.
Bravo kin shadow (offt awsome avatar) ot( your qouite right but as i said whats wrong with eating people...
for night of faith: that was a very funny post kudos. but of course i would not eat the child if you wanted it... or at all because its against the law... damn gotta be president then thatt'lfix that
for night of faith: that was a very funny post kudos. but of course i would not eat the child if you wanted it... or at all because its against the law... damn gotta be president then thatt'lfix that
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Abortion kills babies who want to live.
sheesh how can you say that. can you remember back then? thought so....
lol the topic desc is funny
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The killing of unborn babies
lol thanks for telling me that i didnt know rofl.
This community has some sick and twisted people on it....
Aborition is just an excuse for you getting too drunk one night. Instead of paying the consequences, you kill the baby you created because you were careless.
Great thing about adoption.... you don't get kids because you were drunk 9 months back.
Aborition is just an excuse for you getting too drunk one night. Instead of paying the consequences, you kill the baby you created because you were careless.
Great thing about adoption.... you don't get kids because you were drunk 9 months back.
what about the argument that when you abort a child you might be killing the next pope or the next einstein or something? you might be killing someone who creates a solution to cancer or world hunger.....you never know what that individual will grow up to be (and i apologize if u guys already brought this up cuz u know me, i'm lazy and i don't read things)
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what about the argument that when you abort a child you might be killing the next pope or the next einstein or something? you might be killing someone who creates a solution to cancer or world hunger.....you never know what that individual will grow up to be
who says it isn't going to be the next hitler, bin laden or J Lo? you don't know the evil u could be bringing into this world.
but what if its another jesus? ah forget it PRO CHOICE!!!
right on
if there is another evil in the world then we can take care of it...so we mite loose something like giant new york skyscapers in the process, but we can take care of it....
we can't do anything for cancer or anything unless we have the right person....it doesn't level out....good overrules bad by far in a situation like this
we can't do anything for cancer or anything unless we have the right person....it doesn't level out....good overrules bad by far in a situation like this
a lot of potential is lost daily. what if a genius never makes it to MIT, what if carelesness caused scientists to miss something critical in an experiment, what if pineapples grew in kansas... we shouldn't be talking about abortion at like 7-months... if someone really didn't want a child, they should've stopped it before it became something with human characteristics...
See, that's just the thing - you *don't* know what's coming. You *don't* know the potential. Preventive killing without any evidence of evil doesn't make any sense - without evidence, even grown adults in court are innocent!
Also, evil spawns from a child's upbringing. Location, domestic violence, drug & alcohol abuse, parents' prejudices can all be passed down. It's the child's decision whether or not to reject or accept these ideas, but started at a young age and being exposed to evils enough (both parents, no good influencial figures in life, etc.) they're more apt to accept the evil practices. Think of it like a natural brainwashing.
Children with mental disabilities may be more or less susceptible to this type of brainwashing.
Also, evil spawns from a child's upbringing. Location, domestic violence, drug & alcohol abuse, parents' prejudices can all be passed down. It's the child's decision whether or not to reject or accept these ideas, but started at a young age and being exposed to evils enough (both parents, no good influencial figures in life, etc.) they're more apt to accept the evil practices. Think of it like a natural brainwashing.
Children with mental disabilities may be more or less susceptible to this type of brainwashing.
do u think that a child born to parents who didn't want him and see him as an inconvenience are going to show him love? if he is put up for adoption, do you think that the foster parents will love him. most likely it's a crck baby, so it will be given to them by the state as a tax write off, so they regard him only as money. the child will be miserable, and it will not become a productive member of society.
not nessarly people who want to abort the baby wont love him. some times eather a.) they arent ready for a baby *mentally/physically* or they didnt intend to have a baby. dosent mean that they wont show the baby love 100% of the time...
There is no such thing as a perfect system, but we have to assume that a majority of the time adoption works out well...
true, but be realistic. if some drugged up teen is pregnant, do u think she wants to take 9 months out of her life to give birth to a child who she is just going to give away? that is the stupidest, most inconvenient system one could come up with.
besides there are too many people as it is. we could live with getting rid of, say 15% of newborns.
besides there are too many people as it is. we could live with getting rid of, say 15% of newborns.
besides none of us are clai voyant so the point of what if you give birth to the anti christ is kind of out of the question.
So your going to let that poor teen who was raped and kiddnapped and let go spend nine months in school with a bulging belly and let her be hrassed and ridiculed your going to let her cry her self to sleep and hate more and more and have here wast nine months of her life and be forced to get a job to pay for the adoption fees Even if she lives through the birthing process because her young body is fragile. WHAT IN GODS NAME ARE YOU THINKING!!!
So your going to let that poor teen who was raped and kiddnapped and let go spend nine months in school with a bulging belly and let her be hrassed and ridiculed your going to let her cry her self to sleep and hate more and more and have here wast nine months of her life and be forced to get a job to pay for the adoption fees Even if she lives through the birthing process because her young body is fragile. WHAT IN GODS NAME ARE YOU THINKING!!!
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WHAT IN GODS NAME ARE YOU THINKING!!!
pro-lifers don't dude, thats part of the problem.
1. They don't stay in school the 9 months they're pregnant, they can get taken out and tutored - a friend of mine, who may I add is only one year older than I am, did this and kept the baby. She has many friends who have supported her throughout this entire time, and I'm sure people will look up to her, if not now then one day, for standing up for what she believes in.
2. Plenty of foster kids are loved - I know some of them, and it's worked out fine. If people weren't going to love adopted kids, why would they adopt? Obviously they're going to try and make it work.
3. I can't think of anyone with a more wasted brain than yours, Blue Hyde - before saying others don't think, why don't you try to live up to your own potential instead of paving your life's path to watching cartoons all the time.
2. Plenty of foster kids are loved - I know some of them, and it's worked out fine. If people weren't going to love adopted kids, why would they adopt? Obviously they're going to try and make it work.
3. I can't think of anyone with a more wasted brain than yours, Blue Hyde - before saying others don't think, why don't you try to live up to your own potential instead of paving your life's path to watching cartoons all the time.
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